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Fril Estelin · Jan 13, 2008, 12:30 PM // 12:30

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Originally Posted by Max Zin

then the 50 for prophecies to get that special skill for ur ranger, and 50 more for eotn cuz we want that norn armor, and 50 more for factions cuz AB is amazing

Money does not buy you the right to cheat.

Of course you'll disagree that you're cheating, but that's not the point because at the moment when you signed the EULA you did agree with Anet's specification and enforcement of the game policy.

Creeping Carl · Jan 13, 2008, 12:31 PM // 12:31

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Originally Posted by Aiden Arcana

Well it IS the dev team to Diablo 2.

That's a good point.

But did you really honestly think this game was going to allow that sort of rampant cheating? Maybe do some research first before buying a game if your complaint is that you don't like signing an EULA in an online game. I really can't think of an MMO that doesnt have some sort of EULA.

jeesuss89 · Jan 13, 2008, 12:34 PM // 12:34

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

And how would they technically proove that a client was hacked? They control servers and know exactly what the client-server protocol is, so they can guess that the client was hacked from the packets received, but to have a proof (as you call it) they would have to get into the hacked client computer, which is something that they cannot do. I believe that they wouldn't inform us of these suspicions on the public place without strong evidence, which they don't have to show. On the other hand, banned people can now try to harm their business because these guys have nothing to loose (except their reputation, but thay could possibly use newly-created nicknames to avoid that) and may get their "revenge" (I'm not saying it's actually the case, I'm simply pointing to the fact that theories can go very far and spread the doubt everywhere).

I'm sure there would be a way to prove this, and I am sure that some form of hacker has been charged before WITH EVIDENCE BEING PROVIDED.

I just want to play the game again. Is that too much to ask??? Apparently it is, as 117 of us are labelled 'hacks' without being proved to be such.

Aiden Arcana · Jan 13, 2008, 12:37 PM // 12:37

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Originally Posted by Elisa

Yes, upon disagreeing you could've, in fact, contacted support for a refund.

Unfortuantly thats not the case, PC Gamer magazine actually did a test and they found one of the few TO refund people was WoW.

FeroxC · Jan 13, 2008, 12:45 PM // 12:45

Dont worry i think they got plenty of proof, and it probably looks like this:

IP-------Zone---------Data-------Time--------Username
86.h4x---DebugMallyx--25/12/07--22:50-------user name
86.h4x---DebugMallyx--25/12/07--23:10-------user name
86.h4x---DebugMallyx--25/12/07--23:30-------user name
86.h4x---DebugMallyx--26/12/07--24:50-------user name

dracolord · Jan 13, 2008, 12:49 PM // 12:49

This is for all of you who are asking for your accounts back... Anet will not give you it back no matter what because not only has gaile already said that this is their FINAL DECISION, but if you come back into the game with your millions of armbraces, the economy is probably going to crash... You might as well stop asking because as gaile said, THIS IS THEIR FINAL DECISION. She clearly stated that only those who took advantage of the exploit were banned, i personally know a few people who had been to the outpost, but did NOT exploit it and did NOT get banned

dracolord · Jan 13, 2008, 12:53 PM // 12:53

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Originally Posted by jeesuss89

Oh gee, that's a great idea. I'll give the company more of my money so they can ban me.

And for all you people who have the EULA written on your forehead; does it not state in it that once banned you cannot acquire a second account???

They will only ban your second account if you do the same things you did with your first acount. They don't ban you for no reason, you exploited a bug using third party software (a hack) which had a major impact on the economy, and for that you are banned. Please read what gaile said

jeesuss89 · Jan 13, 2008, 12:59 PM // 12:59

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Originally Posted by dracolord

Well, if you sent a report ticket, at least read it, it says what they think on it. And if you haven't and you want your account back, send a support ticket, posting on a fansite won't help.

It doesn't say what the TEAM thinks. It says what an AUTOMATED RESPONSE thinks of it.

Please, go back to Ascalon and play while you can.

dracolord · Jan 13, 2008, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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Originally Posted by jeesuss89

Uh, I did. A long time before you did.

And how many of Galie's posts have YOU read???

The team will be reviewing all of the tickets sent into them sometime soon in the future.

All we can do is wait.

Obviously, you havent read all the posts... Well, let me update you

Some of the 117 have already sent out support tickets and got replies. All of them have been told that it was in the best interest of the game and its community to leave their accounts banned.

Want to know why? Because you have been exploiting using a third party software, thats possibly one of the worst offences.

A majority of the people agree that you should be kept banned, and some even say that a perma ban isnt heavy enough.

That's what the people say, anyways posting on a fansite wont help stop a ban...

jeesuss89 · Jan 13, 2008, 01:06 PM // 13:06

Ok buddy. Give me a link and I'll see this for myself kthx.

jeesuss89 · Jan 13, 2008, 01:08 PM // 13:08

that's ok dude, say what you want.

Just quote Gaile or give me a link to back up your case kthx.

FeroxC · Jan 13, 2008, 01:15 PM // 13:15

Face it guys.

In legit circles you hacked the game and and should be punished.
In hacker circles your a "skiddie", and suck.

Exploting this bug was a bad move all round

Fril Estelin · Jan 13, 2008, 01:20 PM // 13:20

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Originally Posted by FeroxC

Face it guys.

Stop fooling yourself: these 2 guys (like a few others before in this thread) will not face anything until people admit that these guys were not guilty of cheating and that Anet will stand publicly humiliated, giving them back their account.

Fortunately, one can simply step aside the e-world, and then reality checks will hit them back: they're not going to get their account back and I'm going to eat a nice hot panini in a few minutes.

Maturity FTW.

Oh and I feel so "important", wow, I'm the king of the e-world. And now for something completely different!

jezz · Jan 13, 2008, 01:26 PM // 13:26

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Originally Posted by dracolord

Obviously, you havent read all the posts... Well, let me update you

Some of the 117 have already sent out support tickets and got replies. All of them have been told that it was in the best interest of the game and its community to leave their accounts banned.

Want to know why? Because you have been exploiting using a third party software, thats possibly one of the worst offences.

A majority of the people agree that you should be kept banned, and some even say that a perma ban isnt heavy enough.

That's what the people say, anyways posting on a fansite wont help stop a ban...

just curious...
does anyone actually know what the "third party software" is(called)?

i doubt any of these guys will get there accounts back..
i guess players will think twice in future before taking advantage of this type of exploit/hack or whatever you want to call it.
for some its a very large loss for a small part in this exploit..but that is life i am afraid.

FeroxC · Jan 13, 2008, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by jezz

just curious...
does anyone actually know what the "third party software" is(called)?

i doubt any of these guys will get there accounts back..
i guess players will think twice in future before taking advantage of this type of exploit/hack or whatever you want to call it.
for some its a very large loss for a small part in this exploit..but that is life i am afraid.

Based on Pablos early post its a "packet editer", lets you edit what data is being sent by any software to a server.

I doubt theres a specific GW hacking program because i imagine anything that lets you edit another programs packets is going to be very difficult to write.

What ive gathered is that there only needs to be 1 original guy who uses the packet editer - he can then ferry people and the people that have been ferried can then ferry others etc. So everybody is exploiting the original guys hack.

Crom The Pale · Jan 13, 2008, 01:47 PM // 13:47

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Originally Posted by leprekan

Uh .. actually we can. Law books are written based upon it.

Anet had a 32 month track record showing use of a ferry was not a permaban offense.

Same thing 116 others are .. why was this a permaban when it was a ferry like ALL the other "exploits". No more "fishy" than the last thousand guild hall ferrys to places.

If you cannot grasp why we are saying wtf when THOUSANDS did the same ferry to Duncan without a permaban .. then I can't help you.

The difference is that people that went to Duncan were accessing an area that is open to players and that they could get to legitimately if they completed the nessassary quests.

The 117 were accessing an area of the game that was not open to any players at any point regarless of how many quests were completed.

In most cases the 1000's of ferrys you would put in equal weight with the Mallyx ferrys is just not possible. These ferrys are more akin to runs, which Anet has no problems with.

Accessing a portion of the game soon than intended can NOT be equal to accessing a portion of the game that is never meant to be accessed at all.

jeesuss89 · Jan 13, 2008, 01:54 PM // 13:54

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

The difference is that people that went to Duncan were accessing an area that is open to players and that they could get to legitimately if they completed the nessassary quests.

The 117 were accessing an area of the game that was not open to any players at any point regarless of how many quests were completed.

There is no difference at all. Except the fact some inexperienced players may have not understood that Mallyx is not repeatable after completion of the quest.

You still needed to complete the sub-dungeons before doing Duncan. Runners could run there without you having to complete these sub-dungeons. Now, if someone who had knowledge of Duncan, and very little knowledge of Mallyx, so little in fact that they had never completed an area in the Domain of Anguish, one would think that they would see no problem in this 'hidden outpost' as they would see much similarity to Duncan. Obviously those people have had to suffer those consequences because of their lack of knowledge of a MMORPG. Now who takes MMORPG's so serious they study as much of it as they can???

Crom The Pale · Jan 13, 2008, 01:54 PM // 13:54

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Originally Posted by Aum

I believe you are mistaken. The Duncan 'exploit' only required 1 player to have completed all 4 quests.

Yes and the rest had to own GWEN, which means they could access Duncan if they chose to complete the quests. They were simply skipping ahead to an area they could legitimately access if they played the game.

This is not the same as entering a FORBIDEN zone that is never open to any player to legitamitly enter.

dracolord · Jan 13, 2008, 01:58 PM // 13:58

All i have to say is that your greed got the best of you 117. There are a few that i have met that did not exploit this and instead asked about it. That's what you were supposed to do, and so i have no pity for you...

Aum · Jan 13, 2008, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Yes and the rest had to own GWEN, which means they could access Duncan if they chose to complete the quests. They were simply skipping ahead to an area they could legitimately access if they played the game.

This is not the same as entering a FORBIDEN zone that is never open to any player to legitamitly enter.

And I would suggest that once Anet saw what was happening they documented this as a BUG which is considered an EXPLOIT, because they developed a software update to correct it. And to follow through with this logic, once recognized, all users after that moment should have been considered in violation of the EULA and subsequently banned for repeated use of this 'EXPLOIT'.